52 Responses to “Relationship Stages, Abusive Women and the WTF Moment, Part Two”

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  1. matt2272

    Hello Dr T, great article.

    After two years of marriage (and one child) I was asked by my wife to leave for the fourth time. She is so mentally ill. Then I decided to stay the course and not come back. After a few weeks, she was asking me to come back (again). I only put one condition: that she could explain to me her narcissistic reactions and all the bullying that took place a few months after I met her (when she was already pregnant and we had just gotten married). Callying me all kinds of names, hitting me on the face (three times) and asking me to leaver her house on all those opportunities and basically attacking me in front of her family (who would not talk to me). I found your site after a month after my last splitup and believe me, it has been so reassuring and I have found so much sense in what happened. I don’t know if she is narcissistic or just plain sick, but even being separated has been a nightmare as I cannot manage to stay off her. I think I simply love her and I am looking for every possible way to help her, but after a few months of living this way and about 15 books I have read on narcissism I have found myself in deep trouble. Her provocations never stop, and after a few hours she is like nothing happened. I end up confused, enraged and without a clue as to why she cannot apologize. My conclusion is that there is something fundamental missing there. Like a moment in which on any conversation something sets her off and then the yelling and screaming begins “it is always about you”, “you don’t love me” (this after telling her just how I feel that day, after a week in which I took her car to have the engine repair, bought her a present, helped her with her work, paid for her airfaire for taking her son to see his doctor (she’s a former widow). These people cannot empathyze. I have seen this a thousand times from her in slow motion. There is something there missing. There is something jammed.And I cannot finish the relationship with her. I think it is just plain fear of her finding someone else and me being alone. Thanks for this Dr. T.

  2. ReclaimedLife

    Oh so many WTF moments over 18 years I lost count. Of course I had lost track of myself, my boundaries, and common sense. I am so glad to have found you Dr. T, and the wake up call you provide through your valuable lessons and insight.

    Thanks

  3. hoss and harley

    Hello,
    This is my first time here. My God what a slap in the face… I relate to so much of what is said. I have inquired about phone service for a few sessions. I’m on the outs right now with the g/f. Not officially diagnosed, she wont go to counselling, I have tried a million times to get her to go. She recently started going to alanon, nd where I read here somewhere she learned enough to be polite in her abuse…lol. Is there any place I need to start?
    Thanks,

  4. capo regime

    Many of us go and in fact find confirmation and solace with these articles of the nightmares we have to endure. I impregnated a true borderline. Went out with her for two weeks–she was nuts. Then of course she turns out pregnant–at 42! The rest is predictable, child support, alientation, lies etc. Know the drill. What I think a lot of us who have kids and have to endure these horrid creatures need is something beyond ten steps to dealing with the borderline, boundaries and the usual stuff. We need a sort of behavioral Jiu Jitsu or Karate on how to psychologically hit back. I tend to keep all email and never speak to her by phone. When she is acting out or lying, I just show here the facts. I prefer to avoid her but as you know, they deliberately make things like calling your child or sending a present and major drama. But beyond the usual things, I think it would be very empowering for all of us trapped having to deal with a borderline to have tools and insights essentially on how to screw with these monsters.

    I find this works o.k. but am always looking for new ways:

    Do not respond to her emails for several days and then keep it only business.

    If you have a success be sure she hears about it.

    If she has a failure, act concerned and then laugh.

    Stay focused on your objective–your relationship with your child. Don;t buy into her drama or illness. If you do, you undermine your relationship with your child and you too become a nut.

    Never speak ill of her to your child

    Never bark. Just bite–don;t threaten to take to lawyer, don;t warn, just act. Go to lawyer, CPS or cops. Don;t consult her just protect your child and your relationship with your child.

    Don;t ever listen to her. View her as some horrid little troll mouthing inanities who is at some level poisoning your child and his/her life. Its not just about you getting a bad experience with this creature, the crucial thing its your kids are being hurt. And so, if there are more ways to bring down and incapacitate to some level these harmers of our children, then by golly lets hear about it.

  5. frodo1974

    Had the WTF moment in June of last year. It was an undeniable revelation and every word in this article affirms what I heard, thought, and felt at the deepest level of my soul. To deny that moment, that clarity, would have been an act of emotional suicide. I have since left that marriage and, true to form, numerous friends have been warmly supportive and helped the healing process. There is light at the end of this insane tunnel but you must walk toward it.

  6. I’m am going through this right now as we speak. Every red flag article I’ve read thus far describes my relationship perfectly and me being the type of guy who tries to work things out, I’d go to her with my findings in an attempt to fix things. I’ve never seen someone write off everything that is not of her own opinion. I guess that’s a red flag too. It’s crazy because I find myself just wanting to be alone so I can have some peace and not have to argue about every little thing. I used to stay out as long as possible hoping she’d be sleep by the time I get home. Now I’m home most of the time and I feel like a prisoner in my own home. She’s always judging me as if she’s better than me, nothing is ever her fault, and she’s always accusing me of cheating. Honestly I wouldn’t even call this a relationship. We’ve been together 3 years and she’s made no effort to get to know my family or friends even though I’ve met a few of her friends and family members on several occasions. There’s been numerous times I’ve actually been in a position to cut it off and move on but every time she makes me feel guilty like I owe her something. Trust me, this article is real. I’m going through it right now. She’s making me miserable and I can’t figure out for the life of me why someone would want to be with another person just to make them unhappy. It Boggles my mind.

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