85 Responses to “Crazy Bitch the Musical! The Abusive Woman’s Script and Why She Won’t Be Different with the Next Guy”

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  1. onemoreguy

    Hi all. I’m new here. I had a relationship with a woman who has a pattern of being “the victim” and she fits the borderline description to a tee. It led to my incarceration, she ruined my reputation and forced me out of my career field. I’m in a court ordered program but it really is a load of dung. Irony is the word of the day, every day, and has been for 2 years. I want to know what can be done about it. My trial was a farce. She knows how to play people and the system. Everyone tells me there is nothing that can be done, that she can just keep on ruining my life, and whatever other poor sap lands in her crazy. It truly is disturbing how much people tell me cliches that are essentially telling me not to stand up for myself while at the same time telling me that she was wrong. Is there anywhere that is attempting to track anyone who is a “serial victim”? I’ve been told stories of people who serially sued businesses for some faked reasons and only by happenstance got caught, and this seems kind of similar. And please don’t give me the line about she’ll just wind up getting herself hurt and living a poor life.

    Thanks

    • Dr Tara J. Palmatier

      If you can prove that she is lying and has set out on a campaign to destroy you with her lies via the DV/LE/court system, you might want to consider suing her in civil court for a large sum.

      You should not turn the other cheek with these types and them, being their miserable selves, is not punishment enough, in my opinion. If you have the facts and the ability and resources to put together a strong defense, you should exonerate yourself and expose her for the sociopathic predator that she is. For this, you will need to find an attorney who knows how these people operate and how to both neutralize and hang them with their own rope.

      If you don’t have the resources, it is probably best to get as far the hell away from her as you can, stay off her Cra-dar (Crazy Radar) and quietly go about rebuilding yourself and your life.

      Kind Regards,
      Dr T

  2. Rich

    I’m so glad I found this website. I’ve spent the last 3 years dealing with someone who completely turned into this after our child was born. I’m glad to know that i’m not crazy.

    • Dr Tara J. Palmatier

      Welcome, to S4M, Rich. I wish you didn’t need to be here, but glad you found us if you’re in a relationship with an abusive woman.

      • Rich

        Going thru the divorce right now. Had 5 good years together but she completely changed 180 degrees after our daughter was born, coincidently she did the same thing with her 1st husband after their child was born. Last 3 years have been torture. Looking back now I notice all the telltale signs I chose to ignore or thought I could make better. I realize that she truely does have a disorder & there’s nothing I can do to help her because she refuses to see it.

        Reading the articles & the comments from other people here reassures me that I’m not crazy or alone in dealing with this. Sometimes it’s hard to explain to friends what you’re dealing with because it sounds so unbelievable. The articles on this site have really helped me when dealing with some of her episodes.

        • cuatezon

          Rich, believe it or not, IMHO, you’re already halfway there (back to sanity/serenity). You’ve recognized the problems, you’ve gotten out of the relationship, and perhaps the most crucial of all, you know you’re not alone/crazy. Keep coming back.

  3. agstaff

    I found you guys on line and am glad I did. I thought for a second I was going crazy! I was one month from my wedding when she left, siting all kinds of mistakes and character flaws I had: I was a cold fish, I had lied to her, I didn’t make her feel loved, I didn’t tell her she was beautiful everyday, I didn’t stand up for her. Stuff that had come up over the course of our relationship, but had been addressed, and the next day, or days later she was fine, back to happy & loving. It seemed like something trivial would come up once a month that she would blow up over it. It was never that hurt my feelings, or why’d you say or do that, never a calm discussion, it was always nuclear war, we’re breaking up, you’re not who I thought you were, we’re not good together, etc. And she rarely apologized for her actions, it was always me or something I did.

    This was our reconciliation too. We were together a year before, I did some stuff that she said was a deal breaker, we split, but even before that, she was online dating and texting guys while sitting next to me on the couch thinking I didn’t know! She went right into a relationship with another guy for 4 months. When it didn’t pan out, she came back to me. At the time I didn’t know of her condition, so I agreed to try again. 6 months later here we are again. She left a month ago based on all these “reasons”, yet wouldn’t let me try to fix or change anything. I now know that she was just using them as excuses to jump to another guy yet again! I’m trying to distance myself from her, but anytime we converse it turns into what a scumbag I am, all the horrible things I did, she’s so angry at me, etc. I no longer participate in her tantrums trying to defend myself, I know it’s useless.

    After doing research and reading a lot of things on here, I’ve determined that this is normal for her, this is her pattern. She needs to be angry at me, needs to think I’m a terrible person that’s wronged her. And of course she did nothing wrong. Just like when I found incriminating evidence where it appeared she had cheated on me a couple times before, her response was incredible. I had violated her trust, no wonder people cheat on me because I’m such a cold fish, she wants passion, blah blah blah. There was no remorse, no guilt, nothing to suggest that she had done something wrong. Actually when I pressed her, it triggered a huge fit of rage and a physical confrontation.

    And to think I had been worrying about how horrible I had been treating her, how I haven’t been giving her what she needs, what I can do to change myself to be a better person to her.

    Thanks for listening all.

  4. scott11

    Hi Dr Tara,

    I can’t tell you how much this website has helped me over the last few months. Thank you.

    My ex girlfriend treated me really badly and then quickly left me for another man. Its wouldnt have been so bad if she didnt throw her new relationship in front of me at every oppertunity and then asked me to be ‘friends’ with her.

    Eventually i chose to up sticks to another city (I move back in a few months for a teaching course but dont worry I wont be living near her!) and broke contact with her. She was angry when I told her I was leaving, everything to shame and guilt me into staying put and being her lapdog. I knew it was for the best but she hurt me so badly. Using her family against me, telling me that her young daughter hated me, calling the police on me ect…

    What is stopping from moving on is that she will be different with the new guy. My friends, family, shrink all tell me the same thing! Even your telling me!!!! and I can’t accept it. I know the new guy is out with her and her young daughter having the fun we used to and I feel terrible. Like he has all the good parts and none of the horrible stuff. People tell me thats shes still using other men behind his back and she will NEVER change but I just cant seem to move past this. Why? The rational side of my brain is fighting with the tormented side. Hope that you can give me some words of hope. Thank you.

    • agstaff

      Scott11,

      That is my exact problem too! She went right to another guy, even before she was moved out of my house I think. I don’t understand how she does that, I know I can’t. I would feel differently about us being separated if she was single too. I wouldn’t be happy that we were apart, but I would understand more, us both taking time, hurt, etc.

      I think it may have to do with her needing to fill the emptiness inside her, to quiet her abandonment issues, someone else to tell her how great & pretty she is, to make her feel good about herself. She likes to say & post on her Facebook that girls like me don’t stay single for long, like it’s a good thing. When in all actuality it’s true, but I think it’s more of a need on her part, she can’t be alone. She’ll latch on to the nearest person that feeds her ego or makes her feel good about herself.

      I totally understand your pain though!

    • cuatezon

      Scott11, welcome to the group. I have experienced a couple of times what you recently went through. For some reason, I’m attracted to these kind of women. Now that I recognize their archetype and MOs, and that its not just in my head but that these women are evil & deivant & ill, it helps me avoid them.

      Why do you keep going back? Perhaps its low self esteem. That was part of the reason for me to continue going back again and again and again. Instead of beating ourselves up though, its often more productive to accpet you were a victim of devious devices and a sociopath…and to forgive yourself for any adverse decisions you made or for even ignoring red flags (or even what I can ‘red banners’ the blatantly obvious signs).

      I guess in a way we’re like recovering alcoholics; we’ve been beaten down & downtrodden due in part to our decisions, and so we collectively support each other here in our ‘recovery’ and to avoid sliding back into these relationships…

  5. Mellaril

    If you haven’t already, check out the Doc’s original article on this topic.

    •Will My Emotionally Abusive Girlfriend or Wife Be Different With the New Guy? (September 7, 2009)

  6. scott11

    Hey agstaff,

    Sorry to hear about your experience. How far out of the relationship are you and how far do you think you’ve come?

    I know what you mean. Before I was in a relationship with her she would jump between men for a really short time. I would tell her to take a step back and focus on her daughter. She never took the advice. She told me that she wanted to be with me and we very slowly starting seeing each other, I thought she needed a good and stable person in her life and I could be that person, I resisted her for so long but she saw my weaknessess and took advantage when I let my guard down….I have myself to blame for this.

    Hi Mellari! I have read that. It gives me alot of strength when I feel down, I guess I just miss the good times and dont want to believe that she could ever be so cruel to me after telling me she loved me.

    • agstaff

      Scott11,

      I’m sure lots of people here will kick me in the ass, but we originally broke up last summer, in which she immediately went to another guy. I even found out she was online dating while we were still together, texting/emailing guys while I sat next to her on the couch. And you guessed it, when I brought it up I was the one that was in trouble somehow.

      Either way, she was with the new guy for about 4 months, she later told me she was unhappy after 2, but stuck it out. We started talking and eventually got back together. At that point I was unaware of her condition and she actually had me convinced that it was due to my insufficiencies and mistakes I’d made when we broke up.

      We were planning our wedding and were a month from getting married when she basically lost her mind, drug up a bunch of mistakes I’d made over the course & my supposed shortcomings, wrapped them all up together in a nice little bow and dropped it on me. Same issue as before, I think she was talking to this other new guy before she even left, just used the issues as an excuse to leave. It’s been about a month since she moved out. I have good days & bad days still. My bad days consist of me missing the good times with her and the bond we had, the good days are when I get pissed thinking how dare she abandon me for someone else & not even have the balls to tell me. Although I realize it’s part of the condition, she really thinks I am this horrible person that severely wronged her in her mind, and she has nothing to be blamed for.

  7. scott11

    I wont kick you in the ass, although I wanted to kick myself in the ass a few times. Like most abusive relationships with these women your story is very close to my own and even closer to her ex husbands before me. We go back because it feels so special with them like it would be impossible for anyone else to make us feel like they do but its only a matter of time before they go looking for someone else to fill their needs.

    They cannot stand to look at themseleves so when we get too close and we see the other sides of them they cannot stand it and need to start fresh with a new victim. I wish I could see this clearly but I guess I’m not out of the fog yet. Be kind to yourself and heal my friend. You are not alone in this.

    • agstaff

      Yeah I’m still attached too, even after knowing all I know this time. And instances like what happened yesterday don’t help my situation. We had to exchange keys and some things that we left at each other’s places. Her new boyfriend was at her apartment so I was just supposed to let her know when I got there and she would come down. She hugged me twice, for a long time, when I first got there and when I was leaving. The second time she told me she loved me and that she missed me and misses us. If that’s true why aren’t we together?! Telling me stuff like that messes with my head, even knowing all I do now.

  8. dignityhonorduty

    Great article-great site. At 50, I thought I’d seen it all. I hadn’t A CLUE. Contacted on FB by an old girlfriend from college, I went to see her and thought we were picking up from a love I should have taken to the altar 30 years ago. Well, either I never really knew her like I thought I did (NPD’s are apparently masters of masks) or life had changed her ENTIRELY into a madwoman. Still lovely, she looked very much the same.

    She was NOT the same person I remember. Looked the same, sounded the same; but her actions quickly went from the sweet loving adoring girl of my college memory to…well, everything I’ve been reading about at this site. Gaslighting, verbal abuse, and then came the violence.

    Strangely, after six months of the worst nightmare of my entire life (and I’ve seen some things) I still can’t shake the memory of my college sweetheart and connect her to the horror I’ve just dealt with.

    Sadly, there were a number of personal family tragedies that slammed her in a row after we met-none of which, however, were my fault and all of which I tried to stand by her through-to the point of physical and emotional exhaustion-only to be cheated on, discarded, attacked, and then fed a plate of “I’m going to dinner with so and so, and so and so invited me to his hotel for the weekend, and so and so is sleeping over but he’s just friends of the family-and like, OKAY- why is she telling me this to plant suspicion in my head and then act outraged when I complain or question her?

    Brutal, is all I can say. Simply brutal.

  9. ginger

    The reason these disordered women feel so “abused” by everyone is because they expect their close ones (significant other, even their own children) to coddle their every need and shield them from adult responsablities. They expect to be the center of attention and to be adored and take take take giving nothing in return, cherished no matter what they themselves do. They expect to continue to live consequence free, to summarize, they expect to be treated just like a baby by their close ones. Their every need met. Of course, its impossible to carry this through 24/7 for a grown adult. People can mangage to keep up the energy for this for 1-2 years for a real baby, not perpetually for the next 80 years for a spoiled adult abuser. But that’s just what these abusers expect. They expect to be treated as babies. They demand it. How dare their bf/spouse/children not treat them as such! They feel entitled to such treatment. They feel its ABUSIVE not to be treated this way (like a baby with no responsability, consequences, adored and coddled no matter what without boundaries). That is why they cycle through relationships, characterizing each successive one as “abusive.” Their relationships abused them by not accepting their crap unquestioningly..by not satisfying their exorbitant, endless needs. Well, no one can satisfy an adult with baby sized needs, ego, entitlement.

    • Swan Song

      So Ginger, you’ve apparently met my ex.

    • knotheadusc

      I agree, ginger. However, I would add that aside from wanting to be treated like babies, they also want you to respect their “superior intellect”. At least babies and young children are likely to recognize your authority. With a PD woman, you get an entitled, coddled adult baby who also expects you to take her seriously. It’s not a very attractive proposition for other adults.

  10. ginger

    Just try imposing a boundary on them and watch what happens. They will invariably go ballistic and throw a tantrum. Just like a toddler would in the terrible twos. The crux of their disorder is their self-centered stance that they remain operating in life as though they were still babies, despite being grown ass adults.

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