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  1. kiwihelen

    I half expect to get blasted by the femi-nazis for what I am about to say.

    Saying we live in a rape culture directly perpetuates the victim mentality which seems to be the hall-mark of the 3rd wave of feminism

    I’m 41. I have never been raped, but have had the experience of sexual exploitation. And guess what, most of the time making clear that the attention is unwanted has stopped it…and having worked on all male work teams, I have often had my position reinforced by other male staff making it very clear that I was to be treated with respect.

    What has protected me?
    1) I consider the environment I am going in to and I do not take excessive risk. In the factory I worked in as a student we knew the supervisor had a bad habit of frotting female staff, so we would go and retrieve stuff from the stock room in pairs, never by ourselves (the fact I broke his toe on the last day I worked there was a great example of natural consequences – don’t frot a woman in steel cap boots)
    2) I don’t let my judgement get clouded by substances unless I am with people I know and trust who will look out for me. Boring I guess, but hey that is what a responsible person does.
    3) If I am in a moderate risk environment (walking home after dark), I follow sensible precautions and plan ahead – yep, I might have to walk a 1/2 mile more from the station after dark, but i am not going to cross the park which is unlit, I’m going to walk around via the road. Or get a cab.

    The most severe sexual exploitation I ever had was within a relationship. And the biggest protection we can give anyone is to help them learn and understand that a healthy relationship is does not include exploitation of any form. It was low self-worth that made me stay, along with a stupid belief my love could cure him of his inner demons.

    Victim thinking reduces self-efficacy, and that reduces self-worth. Survivor thinking has made me strong and less vulnerable to exploitation. So lets stop calling it a “rape culture” and giving our daughters (and nieces) a fear message – lets show them how to protect themselves.

    • Dr Tara J. Palmatier

      Hi KH,

      There are still pockets of misogyny left in our culture, but it’s no longer culturally acceptable. The reality is that society we’ll never be 100% free from bigotry, hatred or sexism. It’s just the duality of human nature. All of us are incredible of both great good and great evil.

      My point is, that while misogyny is no longer culturally acceptable, misandry is, and that is unacceptable. We shouldn’t elevate one gender by denigrating another. And we should be able to criticize both genders when criticism is merited without being labeled a misogynist or a misandrist. This article will no doubt cause some to label me a misogynist and an agent of the hate-triarchy. But really, what have I said? Our society’s come a long way in its attitudes towards women and violence against women is no longer culturally acceptable. Mission accomplished, ladies. That’s a good thing, right?

      However, violence against men is now so culturally acceptable, that a woman can cut off her husband’s penis and have it be comic fodder for daytime talk shows. No one jokes about FGM.

      Like you, I don’t put myself into harm’s way. I stay out of places I know might be dangerous rather than walking about with an entitled attitude that the entire world should be safe. I wish the whole world were safe, but, what with the ever growing economic disparity and general education, that’s just childish thinking.

      From what I understand, instead of viewing women as strong and capable, third wave feminism seems to have elevated women into the role of empowered professional victims. There is power in assuming the role of victim, but it is an illegitimate power. Empowered professional victims get to abdicate personal responsibility and everyone owes them. That’s not true empowerment. That’s infantilization of women.

      • “There are STILL pockets of misogyny left in our culture”
        “My point is, that while misogyny is NO LONGER culturally acceptable”

        I’m sorry, but when has misogyny EVER been culturally acceptable in our society?

        I have not come across any evidence that “woman hating” or “woman beating” has ever been socially acceptable in any western culture.

        Can you provide references or links to back these claims up?

        Thanks.

        • Dr Tara J. Palmatier

          Hi ScareCrow,

          There are still pockets of misogyny and racism, it’s just more underground.

          There was a time when women were viewed as 2nd class citizens and were considered the property of their husbands/fathers. A man was legally allowed to beat or force sex upon his wife, but this was a very long time ago. While it may not have been socially acceptable, I believe it was legal.

          Will look for reference links later.

          Kind Regards,
          Dr T

          • uh huh.

            Is this before or after the “Women and Children first” era?

          • Paul Elam

            I get to play devils advocate with both of you. There is indeed still misogyny remaining in this culture. I have had to ban a few people from my site because all they wanted to do was bash women, all women, as though they were the source of all evil. And I do believe there was a time that expressing blanket, dim views of women, generally speaking, was not met with much social resistance.

            To qualify this, however, we need to consider that articulated exploration of the dark side of either sex is not misandry or misogyny. It is a very important dialog.

            The next AVfM show will be on “What Women Want,” and it will include this dialog.

            To the other point, Dr. T, I think you may be mistaken when you say, “There was a time when women were viewed as 2nd class citizens and were considered the property of their husbands/fathers. A man was legally allowed to beat or force sex upon his wife, but this was a very long time ago. While it may not have been socially acceptable, I believe it was legal.”

            Not so. Consider this from some of the work of Christina Hoff Sommers regarding our history of dealing with wife abusers:

            “In America, there have been laws against wife beating since before the Revolution. By 1870, it was illegal in almost every state; but even before then, wife-beaters were arrested and punished for assault and battery. The historian and feminist Elizabeth Pleck observes in a scholarly article entitled “Wife-Battering in Nineteenth-Century America”:

            It has often been claimed that wife-beating in nineteenth-century America was legal… Actually, though, several states passed statutes legally prohibiting wife-beating; and at least one statute even predates the American Revolution. The Massachusetts Bay Colony prohibited wife-beating as early as 1655. The edict states: “No man shall strike his wife nor any woman her husband on penalty of such fine not exceeding ten pounds for one offense, or such corporal punishment as the County shall determine.”

            “[Pleck] points out that punishments for wife-beaters could be severe: according to an 1882 Maryland statute, the culprit could receive forty lashes at the whipping post; in Delaware, the number was thirty.

            In New Mexico, fines ranging from $225 to $1000 were levied, or sentences of one to five years in prison imposed. For most of our history, in fact, wife-beating has been considered a sin comparable to to thievery or adultery. Religious groups — especially Protestant groups such as Quakers, Methodists, and Baptists — punished, shunned, and excommunicated wife-beaters.

            Husbands, brothers, and neighbors often took vengence against the batterer. Vigilante parties sometimes abducted wife-beaters and whipped them.”

            More on this here: http://www.debunker.com/texts/ruleofthumb.html

            Suffice it to say that socially or legally acceptable brutality against women is a feminist myth so successfully disseminated through our culture that most of us consider it common knowledge.

            This is all important stuff, but in another way it distracts from this sterling article, which is a barn burner of debunking targeted at precisely the right places.

            I will be linking to it often in the future.

            • This is one huge source of misandry.

              Fact, it was not illegal – but then again, there was no law saying that it was illegal to eat babies after peeing on them.

              Serious – do the research – you will find no laws that forbid people from FIRST urinating on an infant then subsequently eating it.

              So, therefore, it was perfectly legal to pee on, then eat babies in days past?!!?

              Assault and rape were just that – assault and rape – the relation of victim to perpetrator was irrelevant.

              The nutsy feminists decided to make 1,000,000 categories for each of those, pertaining specifically to women.

              Gee, in days past, there was no V.A.W.A….

              I guess that means that violence against women was therefore legal.

              When I see cliche writing that wreaks of misandry, do not expect me to back down or ignore it.

              I will not.

            • Dr Tara J. Palmatier

              Thank you, Paul. It never ceases to amaze me how vast the misinformation of feminism is. I know that their stats on DV and rape are works of fiction, but didn’t realize the “it used to be legal for a man to beat his wife” was a lie, too.

              Thanks also for the link. It’s very helpful.

              • D

                I don’t think you should apologize to this commentator Dr. T even if it’s just tongue in cheek. Some of the MRA types are hypersensitive and we shouldn’t indulge it anymore than any other borderline, female or male. It’s hard to even tell if the writer is serious but that would only lead to the one apppropriate response which is to not dignify him with a response.

        • JPJ

          From a guys perspective,this article is right on the mark.We do live in fear of
          being falsely accused and the playing field is not fair.A women can say anything about a guy and they will most likely be believed.

          “A false accusation is as deadly as a sword,a club or a sharp arrow.” Proverbs 25:18

          I was once in a band where the leader told us not to hang out with the girls after the show.He did not want to have to deal with false accusations and crazy charges that would come back to haunt him.At the time,I did not understand…but now I certainly get it.

          Men have to look out so that they do not get themselves in trouble for doing nothing wrong.There is good anger…..the type that serves as a warning sign and bad anger that is abusive.I think that often times women take the good anger…twist it around to serve their own purposes.
          This is not fair at all.

          “”Better to live on the roof than share a house with a nagging wife” Proverbs 25:24

  2. Mellaril

    I think this pretty much tanks your shot as the Dean of Misandrist Univeristy School of Men Bashing….

    • Dr Tara J. Palmatier

      You’re probably right, Mellaril, but I don’t think I ever really had a shot.

      • Mellaril

        You might still have a shot as Chair of the Victim Studies Department:

        “Successful completion of the program awards you Certificate of Victimhood and allows the use of the initials PV after your name.”

        Entrance to the program is based on a combination of test scores that indicate personality disorders and resume that denotes previous education and experience.

        Special consideration is given for:

        (1) Affidavits from licensed mental health professionals with a diagnosis of a personality disorder.
        (2) Documentation of any of the following: Suicide threats, coercive pregnancies, filing of false police reports, prolonging legal proceedings.

  3. the_mathemagician

    I think this rates as one of the best articles I’ve seen posted here, and based on the many that I’ve read, it’s a very high bar of quality.

    I can attest to the double-standard, having sat in front of a therapist who was concerned about the fact I might lunge at my then-wife out of anger and didn’t seem to mind treating me like the monster, when I was the one getting kicked, hit, targeted by glass bottles and dishes. This culture only serves to re-victimize victims–thanks, Dr. Phil–and empowers these abusers (men and women) who get the kind of validation that they were looking for.

    It annoys me to no end to see the same commercials and television shows and movies that you reference, where it’s “entertainment” to see someone (likely a man now) cowed into submission under the withering look of his significant other any time he attempts to stand up for his self-respect. And of course, who doesn’t laugh when a guy gets whacked in the balls? It’s so much more hysterical than watching a woman get whacked in the breasts…oh wait, that doesn’t happen on TV. I forgot (and thank goodness btw that it doesn’t happen on TV!). I can hear the critics now saying that this is merely balancing out decades–if not centuries or millennia–of a male-dominated world. I guess some people do think two wrongs can make a right.

    • Dr Tara J. Palmatier

      Here’s the thing, you don’t balance out misogyny with misandry. You don’t balance out female directed sexism with male directed sexism. You don’t right the wrongs done to women in centuries past by marginalizing men and boys. Elevating women at the expense of men only serves to breed resentment and injustice, which serves to perpetuate the gender war.

      Thanks for the kind feedback, the_mathemagician. I was a little reluctant to publish this one as I know some will take offense to it. But, at this point in time, this is what I believe.

      I work with men who are subjected to abusive behavior by their wives/girlfriends/exes. In many ways, what these men suffer and are bravely fighting to break free of, is enabled by our culture, which is why this topic matters, at least it’s why it matters to me.

      If our culture recognized the violence women perpetrate against men, there would be shelters and many, many other resources and supports for men. Perhaps the anti-male bias in family court would also dissipate. The larger system we live in effects us all personally, which is why I’d like to see more awareness about these issues and, hopefully, a more equitable society for all.

      • Cousin Dave

        Pretty much all of the 20th-century civil rights movements degenerated into groups seeking special privileges and vengeance for perceived slights. To a considerable extent, society is no better off for them because, instead of working for equity, all they did was push the pendulum to the other side. I think the psychology of these groups would make for an interesting study, and it’s important to find the answers since, as things stand, the only possible outcome is a downward spiral of competing special-interest groups.

  4. Funky Monk

    I now realize that this media-induced sense of entitlement is what propelled by ex-wife to think she could get away with abuse, be it physical, emotional or psychological — I remember her actually saying, “I can do whatever I want” when I told her that she should not be hitting me; and she used to justify her actions by pointing out fake TV show relationships in which the woman slaps/hits/intimidates the man.

    Well I’m sure that that kind of rationale also influenced many Germans to be convinced by Hitler in the ’30s: well everyone else is doing it so must be right! Abuse of any kind is wrong, no matter whom it is perpetrated against and no matter how prevalent it may be in society.

    I’m just glad that I got out of the marriage soon enough to save my son from any direct abuse.

    • Dr Tara J. Palmatier

      I’m glad you’re out, too, Funky Monk.

      I’ve heard similar threats via my clients. For example, many of my clients’ wives have made threats to have them removed from the home if they don’t obey them/give into their unreasonable demands by calling the police and claiming abuse.

      When my clients counter, “But no abuse happened,” there’s wives smugly say some variation of, “Who do you think the cops are going to believe?”

      It’s beyond wrong that these sick twists use law enforcement as another way to abuse. It’s utter BS.

  5. alreadylost

    Dr T.
    A timely and well written article. It does make me a bit angry though and compels me to rant a bit it permitted. “if you’re captured don’t let them give you to the women”. An old warriors advice to new soldiers. Personally, I fear women much more than men. My experience has taught me that most women in today’s society view men as monsters to be kept at arms length at used as necessary to get what they want. My view is reenforced by 90% of what passes as entertainment these days and by 99% of the women I encounter on a day to day basis. As part of the only class against which society actively encourages discrimination – namely white male conservative – I have no recourse or avenue to fight the routine double standard and societal abuse I encounter on a daily basis. I can’t even smile at a lady without being accused of leering at her. God help me if I even glance at a child. I must have evil intent. Personally, I’m not sure I will ever trust any female again. At least if a man dislikes you he let’s you directly. Women = a knife in the back while smiling in you face so to speak

  6. jp

    That’s a hell of a post, Doc. Really, just excellent.

    Expect it to go viral.

    Buckle up.

    JP

    • Dr Tara J. Palmatier

      Thanks, JP. Don’t know if it will go viral. At the very least, I hope this piece causes some people to rethink a few things as it has done for me.

  7. egribkb

    You forgot a big one on the ‘false accusers’ AND ‘just as violent’ list: Crystal Mangum. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/apr/19/duke-lacrosse-crystal-mangum-charged-murder

    • Dr Tara J. Palmatier

      Hi egribkb,

      Ugh! How could I forget her. Magnum is finally in jail for stabbing her fiance to death. Maybe that man would still be alived if she’s been prosecuted and jailed after the Duke incident.

      • TheGirlInside

        I just about lunged at my computer reading “don’t be quick to judge” (the murderous, lying slut who damn near murdered her OWN CHILDREN to ‘get’ her ex boyfriend).

        I’m quicking to judge – Evil. Throw a stack of fake money in the middle of a house to lure her in, lock the doors and paint the windows shut, and start a fire….she should feel right at home before long.

  8. Very good post and well referenced too. I’m going to dig into those references when I have more time. Thanks.

  9. Lucky

    I live in Europe and do not know anything about American history on rape and violence in a marriage. But I did find this on the internet: http://www.sagepub.com/lippmanstudy/articles/Bennice.pdf

  10. ssscrambled

    Hi Dr T.

    I’m very grateful for this article. People mentioning the concept of “rape culture” has always made me exceedingly angry, because it implies not just that men have an inherent propensity to want to rape, but also that they (or should I say “we”) follow this “culture” in an unthinking way. It’s quite unsettling to realise there are people who despise men so much that they would resort to that sort of language.

    One form of intra-relationship rape that I think is underacknowledged is that of women pressuring their partners into sex, on the understanding that the relationship would be over, or some other negative consequence would ensue, if it was refused. I remember when I was deep into my BPD relationship, one night between the interlude of foreplay and reaching for a condom she announced “it’s alright you don’t need it. I got tested for STIs last week and I’ve started taking the pill” – no prior discussion whatsoever. I knew by then that I didn’t really trust her, but I went ahead with it anyway because the alternative was to put on my clothes and permanently get the hell out of there – which I probably should have done in retrospect, but hey, you live and learn!

    Lastly I just want to say, reading your articles over the last several months has really helped me to spot an abusive personality and not get worried by the things they say. If I’d read a comment like the one from our friend scarecrow above a couple of years ago I probably would have been rattled by it and tried to argue back. But i realised just now when I read scarecrow’s comments I had the immediate reaction of “oh, it’s one of those…”, and knew straight away not to take any notice. Ha, they’re actually quite one-dimensional when you think about it! But perhaps if you were looking for a money-spinner you could train negotiators and corporate groups on “how to spot an abusive personality”, because I think you’ve hit upon a formula that really works!

    Take care, and thanks again.

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